Should some people just wait until beta testing is done?

[liquidfire]

I am not one to complain and I understand the whole ordeal. I have been part of some games going through beta testing before but never ones on this level of popularity. With that being said, I tried some online today and it was just too buggy for me. I ran into some issues, quite a number of them actually and it really frustrated me. Not to mention you have random people on every server who may or may not screw with you. I stopped playing after about 2 hours and contacted Rockstar with all the issues I had and my general feedback. I really don't think I want to play it anymore as it stands... And I think that is okay. I mean I played, gave some feedback, I did my "part" so to speak. I do want to play but in the state it is in right now, I just can't enjoy it.

Do you guys think some of us should just wait until beta testing is done? I know quite a number of people are getting upset over the bugs, glitches, and what seems to be a lack of overall player consequences for being a di*k to other players. I am thinking if you are as frustrated as me to just give it a bit of time, let Rockstar know what is up, and then wait till they are done is probably the best choice. 

[PlatypusErotica]

I think that is a very mature view. You have played, given your feedback and now seek to avoid frustration. I think the main reason people push themselves to play is the possibility of it carrying to live, but if you are not enjoying the experience, you are hurting yourself for perceived gain which may or may not eventuate. I honestly feel that R* should just say "Sorry folks, we're going to wipe at end of beta" It would save people a lot of frustration. The main, proper reason to play at the moment is to give more feedback, test what you can and hopefully help the game become what we all want it be at the end of the day, fun. You should only do that, however, if you find the experience in someway satisfying. There is no good reason to push yourself to play a game that has no guarantee of (A) Maintaining current progress, and (B) Being the game that it will be post beta.

[Volt]

Good question. My biggest caution is to anyone who has yet to play it, is to plan for all your character progress in RDO Beta to get wiped before it goes live. If one is okay with that, then check it out. The best thing I've learned form playing RDO, is that I really need to get my controller settings configured properly. In the sense of being able to play competitively with other people. For the single player experience, I used the default settings. That worked fine for me in single player mode. They do not work well against other people shooting at me. Most notably people seemed to be able to turn and aim faster and better that I can using the default settings. As of last night, I've been tinkering with the settings to find what works for me. And trying to find something I can set and use in both single player and RDO.

RDO shows great promise. I'm really excited about the prospects. But there are also some potentially unfun things occurring. Hopefully R* will figure it out and deliver the fun.

[Kean_1]

Makes total sense and who knows, I may also walk away for a bit while they update the game.

I was almost ready to do that after last night. .....horrible experience. Trolls were out in force, lag was awful, missions wouldn't populate or work right, etc. I felt bad for my friend sinve that was his first experience. 

Fast forward to this evening and it was a totally different experience. Hell, it was the first night we never ran into a troll.  ......a couple questionable guys, sure, but no trolls thankfully.

It's hit and miss right now for me but I know they will eventually provide more session types, options, etc. that will improve the gameplay experience for all.  .....hopefully with exception of the trolls 

[Hammer]

If GTAO is any indicator then, no I don't think there's a chance it is going to get better. 

RDRO is going to be a microtransaction-based game. Not just cosmetic items, you will be able to purchase advantages (like shotguns) .  It's where GTAO is now and the direction it moved from launch.

I also think the poor state of the beta speaks volumes about R*'s concerns for players who do not intend to keep paying to play. 

Why else would you even put this economy in a beta?

Why would you set missions to only pay out once?

Why would you even include gold bars?

Personally, I'd rather every player paid $150 for the game and do away with the ability to purchase advantages. 

I loved RDR1 and looked forward to RDRO launching, I should have known better based on what R* did with GTAO..

 

 

[PlatypusErotica]

Hammer, I somewhat agree with you. I am banking on the idea that the more fish you have, the more money you can make. So I am hoping they will try to make it a playable, fun game to get as many people in as possible then try to promote the gold sales. Is it the perfect answer? Not close, but it may be the best we can hope for. If they do continue the rather blatant "If you want to play this and enjoy it, buy gold" theme that it currently has, I will quit and not look back. Which is saddening, since I was incredibly hyped for RDO, even more than for the single player (Which was phenomenal.)

Just keeping my hopes high and my fingers crossed.

[Kean_1]

8 hours ago, Hammer said:

RDRO is going to be a microtransaction-based game. Not just cosmetic items, you will be able to purchase advantages (like shotguns) .  It's where GTAO is now and the direction it moved from launch.

Curious......  Where did you get this information about gold bars being used to buy weapons like shotguns? R* announced that gold bars would be used for cosmetic items and I've seen them for convenience components as well like horse insurance.

[PlatypusErotica]

You can use gold bars to purchase any $ item "early" I believe. So you can skip the rank requirement by paying real money, which would allow a level one character to use a repeating shotgun if they chose to purchase it with gold.

[Kean_1]

17 minutes ago, PlatypusErotica said:

You can use gold bars to purchase any $ item "early" I believe. So you can skip the rank requirement by paying real money, which would allow a level one character to use a repeating shotgun if they chose to purchase it with gold.

I never saw where this was even possible.  There are some weapons that are unlocked due to he version of the game purchased, preorders, etc. but I never saw an option to buy a weapon with gold (just in-game cash).  I know some items (like cosmetics) where you can use gold or cash and some where it's just gold.  

Personally, I just wish they did away with the gold bars, stick with an in-game cash system and make the economy more fair.   .....and then go with a Shark Card equivalent, but that's just me.

What I don't like is things like horse insurance (for some types of horses) being locked behind gold bars.

[PlatypusErotica]

Fairly sure there's the option, I'll log in and check. I know you can buy any of the camp upgrades with gold. I think the level 90 tent or what have you was 800 something gold when I looked last night.

Okay, you were correct, it doesn't work with weapons until the rank is unlocked. When the rank is unlocked you can use gold instead of cash, ie, I can buy the Repeating Shotgun for $724, or 29 gold.

Tents are definitely rank skippable but apparently weapons are not. So, that's something.

Edited December 2, 2018 by PlatypusErotica

[Poggy]

They probably have to separate out two monies because of gambling and law.  

[buttlint]

Many of us have waited 7 years for this game. I think I can hold my water until the beta is finished. I will keep my eyes focused on what gets said on the forums.

I also dont have a Playstation account. If it turns out that this is the greatest online game of all time, I will burn my 2 day free sample and see what I think. If it sucks during the sample period......oh well. I will just have to wait another 7 years for Red Dead 3.

[Kean_1]

1 hour ago, PlatypusErotica said:

Fairly sure there's the option, I'll log in and check. I know you can buy any of the camp upgrades with gold. I think the level 90 tent or what have you was 800 something gold when I looked last night.

Okay, you were correct, it doesn't work with weapons until the rank is unlocked. When the rank is unlocked you can use gold instead of cash, ie, I can buy the Repeating Shotgun for $724, or 29 gold.

Tents are definitely rank skippable but apparently weapons are not. So, that's something.

Yeah....  I'm not diggin' the fact that they even allow weapons to be purchased with gold but lets see how it shakes out.

56 minutes ago, Poggy said:

They probably have to separate out two monies because of gambling and law.  

That's the only thing I can think of....  

[McLawDiz]

I know my reply might be misplaced, but i have to ask in correction to the topic title.

Anyone still having problems with "Error Disconnect" while playing? - Either Freeroam, or Misison + Stranger missions?

It does not happen often in FreeRoam, but Missions & Stranger missions is disconnecting the whole time for me?

[YodaMan 3D]

On 12/1/2018 at 9:02 PM, liquidfire said:

I am not one to complain and I understand the whole ordeal. I have been part of some games going through beta testing before but never ones on this level of popularity. With that being said, I tried some online today and it was just too buggy for me. I ran into some issues, quite a number of them actually and it really frustrated me. Not to mention you have random people on every server who may or may not screw with you. I stopped playing after about 2 hours and contacted Rockstar with all the issues I had and my general feedback. I really don't think I want to play it anymore as it stands... And I think that is okay. I mean I played, gave some feedback, I did my "part" so to speak. I do want to play but in the state it is in right now, I just can't enjoy it.

Do you guys think some of us should just wait until beta testing is done? I know quite a number of people are getting upset over the bugs, glitches, and what seems to be a lack of overall player consequences for being a di*k to other players. I am thinking if you are as frustrated as me to just give it a bit of time, let Rockstar know what is up, and then wait till they are done is probably the best choice. 

Beta testing is really for those who find a bug, glitch, or cheat and willing to take time to contact Rockstar to report it.  So it can be fixed, most players don't do that, they see access to early release.  If they find issues they will use them for the advantage and not say a word to anyone who can fix them.  Usually they make a YouTube video making it worse cause then everyone is trying to do it or come on the forums and claim it isn't cheating and that it is ok hoping others will do it as well.

[#SadCowboy]

I'm approaching it with the mindset of "just for fun" and not progression. I know they will likely wipe everything and they should do since some people can take advantage of glitches. They had plenty in GTA V that people took advantage of for weeks and were not able to control it. Now they can. If you can go on and not take it seriously, then go for it but if you can't... Probably best to wait it out.

[BropolloCreed79]

18 minutes ago, #SadCowboy said:

I'm approaching it with the mindset of "just for fun" and not progression. I know they will likely wipe everything and they should do since some people can take advantage of glitches. 

Good News!

https://www.rdr2.org/news/red-dead-online-progress-reset/

R* is officially "not planning" on wiping progression.

[Skrylaxx]

8 minutes ago, BropolloCreed79 said:

Good News!

https://www.rdr2.org/news/red-dead-online-progress-reset/

R* is officially "not planning" on wiping progression.

I was just asking this in another thread. I am glad I didn't blow through my money carelessly. Thanks for the update. Should probably make a thread for this so people know.

[Paladin]

Having beta tested MMOs since the 90s, they are mainly concerned with server stability, and game play secondly.

In the last 10 years thew game makers have abused the beta system, and now make folk pay to test their junk, or like Fallout76, use everyone as test dummies even after the game is out.

In the last 5 years Ive not found a complete game at launch yet. Been playing Conan Exiles since early access. There still is problems in the game since we started.

[YodaMan 3D]

1 minute ago, Paladin said:

Having beta tested MMOs since the 90s, they are mainly concerned with server stability, and game play secondly.

In the last 10 years thew game makers have abused the beta system, and now make folk pay to test their junk, or like Fallout76, use everyone as test dummies even after the game is out.

In the last 5 years Ive not found a complete game at launch yet. Been playing Conan Exiles since early access. There still is problems in the game since we started.

That's because when it comes to software, especially in video games.  The world has accepted that they will buy it when manufactures state that they will fix any issues with updates later on down the road.  Then they make excuses on why they can't later on.