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It shows the gold in goldbars and the numbers behind are the nuggets (cents if you will). This is a perfect example about the widely used term "griefing" and hence many discussions that are on this and many other forums by a lot of people. A player assassination mission is not by any means griefing. It is a game element intended by Rockstar to have a hunt and shootout. It gives fair warning to the hunted and you can easily survive this 90% of the time. The issue lies after the mission and the emotions of players to keep engaging for revenge. Yet this is also in the game and has limits (parley and worst case switching servers). To some griefing would be considered riding past a player without shooting and then boom your dead by a headshot. I do not consider this griefing, it's just a weak move. To me griefing is more related to getting killed without a single chance to fight back, getting out of cutscenes or animations etcetera. Also being hunted by a group of players over and over after making it obvious by actions or chat that enough is enough or constant verbal abuse along with it. Most of the above issues would disappear with the auto aim removed for everyone and some tweaks by Rockstar (like not losing your loot when you or your horse get killed). In short : Griefing is defined differently by everyone and therefore diffcult to balance.

There's so many nooks and crannies in some of these towns or areas where you can park yourself in a tight spot and wait for them to pile up at the door or come up a ladder. It's fantastic. There's a train car in St. Denis, the top of the roof at Heartlands Oil, the hayloft at the livestock auction in Valentine.... and many, many more. I'ts not just you. I'm only level 11. I'd be at 50+ but I reset my character about four or five times. And I roll solo a lot. That slows me down.

Well they could just add pve lobbies.. Maybe with less players but more NPCS that spawn. To reduce the strain on servers. And add pve friendly events. Like fishing or hunting challenges.. and other random events that have nothing to do with player vs player combat.

I don't really see it as griefing. Now it would be if the person kept killing even after finishing the mission. I mean all missions invite other players to mess with it, it gives anyone nearby a notification about it and what they have to do to take it. Would that be griefing as well? It's not griefing if it's a core mechanic of the game. As for your question about gold, it's gold bars and it shows up next your cash automatically.

What you got is them playing the numbers. If they feel that a percent of their player base unable to play the game is acceptable loss. They going on the they can't make everyone happy, why try. Most corporations have a acceptable loss rate. For arguments sake let's say that magic number is 10%, so if 90% + is happy then they have done well and no concerns. If it gets to be 11%, then they will put down their cup of coffee and hit the fix button, which takes time and resources. Sad to say you fall into the happy casualty category. Now if you really wanted it fixed and this is just my personal experience over the years. When you contact them about a complaint, make it sound as if you are benefiting from it. They will code red that crap and have a hot fix in minutes. They here complaints all day long, call up being happy and they have no clue how to deal with it. Their little how to suggestion handbook, it doesn't cover happy customer and you will send their heads a spinning. Just saying.

“Zombied out”, a new sentence that I will use often. I have personally felt like that for many years and I am tired beyond belief when it comes ro zombies as they are the main antagonists in more or less anything and everything these days. I purchased the new version of “Resident evil 2” because I am old and used to be scared like hell playing the original on PSX. It is not a bad game but since I am “zombied out”, it takes away some of the joy playing it.

There are people well over 200 by now, I believe I heard about one in rank 300.

Exactly. HARDCORE LOBBIES (free aim only) and perhaps just red shadowed areas on the map to show players would totally balance griefing. In fact if someone has to actually aim for that headshot to kill me im fine with them trying to hunt me down, toxic or not. Bring it on! If we can figure this out great minds at R* should be able to! RD1 had hardcore lobbies as well. Additionally Radar should still show the red glow in direction of enemies, but Only show actual unit blips when sprinting/ firing. Thats all they need! This would make me and others 10x more patient for R* to take their time adding more content or until Full Release

Thousands gathered in the Saint Denis cemetery this weekend past to pay respects to the fallen Police Officers of Saint Denis. After putting together witness recounts and evidence recovered at the scene we’ve learned that the notorious outlaw Arthur Morgan arrived in Saint Denis early Saturday morning. He conducted business with the Trapper and Fence, then went into the Saint Denis gunsmith where an 18 hour standoff ensued and a staggering number of officers were killed. Eye witnesses near the Trapper and Fence recount “he looked sick, pale and unsteady on his feet”, another stated “he was coughing a bit, and somewhat irritable at a feller that asked if he was okay”. An eye witness at the gunsmith told one reporter “He wasn’t happy looking when he went into the gunsmith. He ran from his horse into the shop, throwing the doors open. I ducked my head down below the window, I didn’t want to be seen. I could hear him talking to the gunsmith. The gunsmith said something about keeping his weapon clean. It escalated from there. More shouting, I covered my ears, and then through my hands I heard a shotgun blast. We all screamed and ran.” The last witness recounting of the incident is thus; “I was walking along, heading past the gunsmith on the opposite side of the street and heard a gunshot. I ran to the opening in the fence beside me and hid there behind the stone base of the fence. After that first gunshot I heard police whistles and thought to myself ‘oh good, they’ll handle it’. But I stayed hidden, i was too scared to move so as i didn't get shot too. The police were yelling at someone in the gunsmith, then more shots rang out, then it got quiet, really quiet. A minute or so later I hear running footsteps going into the gunsmith and more shooting. Then it got really quiet again. That scary quiet like when there’s a bear near you in the woods. So I peaked over the stone base of the fence and saw all these dead policemen. I panicked and ran, I’ve never been so scared in my life!” Our evidence collaborates their stories. On that tragic morning Arthur Morgan argued with the gunsmith, then shot the gunsmith in the head with his shotgun. Police were notified and in their haste they rushed into the gunsmith only to be shot dead in the doorway. It is believed Mr. Morgan hid in the back of the gunsmith, using the wall as cover, shooting anyone that ran in or in front of the doors. It’s believed he was waiting for more police to arrive. This stand off lasted about 18 hours. At approximately 2am Mr. Morgan gunned down the officers at the doorway, then ran off down an alley. He had a horse waiting and fled through the streets and alleys. Officers chased him, and killed his horse we believe was named Buell, as that name was stamped on the bridle's nose strap. Mr. Morgan then shot an innocent rider in the head, stole his horse and fled through the fields into the swamp, escaping the pursuing officers. A 3 day manhunt in the swamp turned up nothing, but 2 squads of dead officers. Mr. Morgan must have heard them, and then hid in cover and picked them off. All officers in both squads were shot in the head. Evidence collected counts the dead as follows – 208 Saint Denis police officers, Ms. Pergot, an innocent who must have ran passed the opened gunsmith and was shot, Mr. Samuels, the unfortunate victim riding his horse in the wrong place and time, and Mr. Morgan's horse Buell. Investigators have recovered 240 spent shotgun shells in the back of the gunsmith, and 30 revolver casings.

I like the idea of having a general hardcore server. One that requires you to be good at aiming as well as surviving. Make the animals smarter and have them do more damage. Allow players to easily get sick if they don't treat wounds. Stuff like that.

1. GTA 5 2. Minecraft 3. Parappa the Rapper. 3. Ark survival evolved.

{Dinosaur bone spoiler but not exact location} Far north of Strawberry is a cave and within this cave is a phantom bear. As I came across this cave I could hear a bear growling intensely over and over. I left my horse Laureli far away from the cave and pulled out my trusty semi-auto shotgun. When I entered the dark cave I could hear the bear but could not see it. Out of know where he appeared right in front of me. I shot one slug into his chest right before it took me down! The giant grizzly chewed and through me around for minutes! With Arthur Morgan having TB and getting torn to shreds he managed to draw his hunting knife, stab the bear in the shoulder then the throat. Reaching for my semi-auto shotgun , I aimed, and blasted the great grizzly three times in the chest! I stood up, cloths and skin tore with blood all around, barely hanging on. I skinned and harvested the Phantom Grizzly, walked over to my horse and set up camp. I made a delicious oregano big game steak and slept for twenty hours to heal. The next afternoon I returned to the cave to find out the Phantom Grizzly was protecting an antient dinosaur bone. I rode off in amazement that this paranormal event had happened thinking "I cant wait to tell the gang what happened". There are so many great adventures you can have in Red Dead Redemption. Share your Spooky but true stories! Thanks to all who read and help start up this forum! For the truth behind the story, message me for a video. I don't want to self promote. I just want to let people know its a true story!

Well, maybe......but definitely not Van Horn. Annesburg is a different story though, those people need an excuse to get out of that miserable town.

Like you wouldn't roll into Van Horn with a posse mounted in your war wagon just laying waste to the town...

So, from what I gather is that we, ordinary players, can become vigilantes of the old west... We can become... BATMAN!

I will make sure not to move your camp again, I apologize. I am joking of course. This is a fan run site and has no affiliation with Rockstar. If you have an issue, you have to take it up with them. Yelling at other players won't help you bro.

That "some" included nearly all of the CEO / VP businesses, missions and related content. A substantial chunk of the gameplay in GTAO to be honest. You have to be in public sessions to access it. As for passive mode, it's worthless in GTA IMO. I never found a use for it although griefers do. Luckily, I was always able to still enjoy the content locked in public sessions by using the MTU trick. ....still do. I would forced into session by myself and if others began to get thrown in with me at some point, they were usually there for the same reasons as me so we never bothered one another. .....sometimes you would find people willing to help. I still would like to see PvE sessions but as long as they lock the better part of their content in Free Roam, of course folks like me will still want to have access to it so I will still be playing in those sessions too. As of right now, we don't even know if session options will ever be implemented or even part of R*s plans. They haven't said anything about it but they have said that they want to add balance to Free Roam. .....which is all some of us are asking for.

Bandit 7 is simple, 250 in any state. my highest so far was 4500ish, i had 1500 in leymone, new hanover, and west elizabeth give or take a few. I'd have had more but Roanoke was DoA.

100% agree. Although I think we can all agree that shooting someone in the back of the head after they exit a cutscene before they can defend themselves is universally understood to be griefing. Nailed it. I still think a self-toggle for PvP/PvE status with a cool down timer once out of combat is the simplest way to mitigate these specific grieifing issues.

I'd go for a mild 'parkour' obstacle course race event. Myself and my friends were hopping all over St Denis the other day and I was showing them various ways to get up to things. Or like it story mode, that npc that challenges you to a shooting contest. A shooting gallery basically. Like hitting flying targets with different gun/weapon types. Or something like in The Evil Within 2?

@jnaron_ngcMyself and @Major Dammidge replay the "kill each and everyone" mission, the one with Teddy Brown fox xp grind. We average about $45.00-$50.00 and around 926xp. Max xp we have received in that mission is 973. Plus the xp from all the npcs kills. Also make sure you are using special ammo, they give you 50 rounds of split point to use.

I agree that we need private lobbies, I just don't believe they're a viable solution to PvE gameplay. They'd be perfect for setting up competitive leagues, private matches, or even youtube channels/machinima content.

No, I don’t think the marker appears. It’s been a while since I did this, but I think I just made my way there and knocked on the door.

I still say Friendly Lobbies and Private lobbies are whats really needed to have a complete game. Blips changes and Free Aim lobbies would be the cherry on top. R* doesn't have to nerf money or xp if it has nothing to do with pvp. Last night myself and friends just wanted to fish. We ended up getting into a brawl with another posse for over an hour. Sure passive toggle would have worked, but I would have liked a private lobby for that.

@CrabApplesI hope you shot them and lowered it to half staff!

Oh, great you ruined the surprise. You know how they enjoy the anything can happen. Now they know it's coming there is no surprise. Party pooper.

If you got ideas that you think will improve the game. Contact Rockstar. Kean1 is constantly putting up their link. Cause on here you have those will just disagree for the sake to disagree. Regardless of what happens we will all adjust our playstyles and keep playing. The thing is this isn't a Rockstar controlled forum, even if it was we wouldn't know if they would listen or not anyway. The CMs would nod their heads, say that is a good suggestion, I will pass that up to the higher ups, and then hit the delete button. We would never know if anyone heard it or cared to hear it.

Yep last week i played few PvP games against a lvl 346.... The crazy thing is the guy was not that good (Ok he was in the top 1/3 ranking in each game but he never won). Unfortunately I don't remember his GT. A part from this one i saw few players lvl +200 as well, but its pretty unsual

hardcore free aim mode. got to get away from casual aimers especially the varmint with a scope users. undead over run cause i loved it in rdr 1. a lot more i could add but i would be happy with what i mentioned

It is a crying shame that players are leaving because of the actions of just a few and excuse my cynicism but has anyone else noticed that NOTHING has been done by R☆ to try and fix the issue in a timely manner? It would seem they were far more busy introducing a gold bar system to further swell their coffers. Just a thought but did anyone else see 'Westworld'? 😉

Please, please, if you are set on leaving, go to the feedback feature and tell them why you are leaving. You also might want to remind them that Rockstar stated this game would be "fun and fair" and that you counted on that when you spent your money on the game. I feel much the same you do but I am waiting until the game comes out of beta to see exactly what Rockstar is going to deliver to us. But, for right now, it does seem like Rockstar is pulling the old double cross on those of us who expected what was in the promotional material, a "fun and fair environment." Right now, the game seems like a haven for online griefers and "fun and fair" are not what Rockstar is offering.

I am on the East coast as well and holy hell... I had to go out to work earlier and with the wind chill and the sun out, it was still -25 out!

I am not sure they would go that far. I mean they could but it is likely they will stick to the same time frame, maybe go a bit before RDR2.

This reminds me of a similar thread with another member who lost their cool and used the console messaging. Doesn't matter what happens in the game. The message they see when that other player reported you is what you're being judged on and both MS and Sony take these things very seriously. ....they have to. Yeah, good message for others that may be thinking of doing it. ....just don't. It's not worth it and now in your case it's lvl 94 player for the win at 2 to 0. What I do is immediately block them and use the in-game reporting feature if appropriate. In this case, it sounds like the other guy was simply playing the mission as designed since you are a target for everyone else on those escort jobs. That's not griefing if that's the case. btw, lvl 94 is nothing at this stage in the beta. There are plenty of 100+ players out there and likely more than we see that have simply quit due to a lack of content. I'm at about 50 myself and I'm pretty casual about how I play. If I put my mind to it and started grinding a while back, I could easily have been at that level too by now.

You know what solves all these issues? Selectable toggles for PvE and PvP status per player that isn't identifiable. And to flip the argument, what server has a PvP player been on that had 31 "Passive" players? They could leave every other existing element the way it is, the blips, everything, just by adding a toggle that isn't view-able to other players. The only players this impacts are grief killers and trolls. Any griefing elements that remain are going to be persistent in both PvP and PvE servers, should they decide to separate them, so why not just make it a toggle and call it a day?

Hi Dman, Please refer back your post in the Q&A section. I have provided your answer. Also, please refrain from double posting or spamming other peoples threads with unrelated questions. I closed your other duplicate thread. - Kean

Too cold. I'm used to the cold weather because my auntie and uncle live in Iceland. And me and the family visit them every year. Temperatures over there during winter can range from - 10° - 0° degrees fahrenheit in the highlands. Can't stand it when It's too hot. I don't mind the heat when it's like 30° - 45° degrees fahrenheit. But once it gets to the 60s, 70s, and 80s etc. I'll have my own personal Niagara falls dripping down my forehead.

got a few more right here thanks to our amazing photographer: Born Vigorous

That is exactly how I feel. Waiting for their actions, which seems to be slow process.

So silly of him. It's absolutely ridiculous that he couldn't fire properly. Is he really a player or an NPC? Can't believe it.

A new game means starting over from scratch. You’ll need to get back to that bar in valentine to chase down the gunfighters again.

At the time, I enjoyed it. ........at the time. If they were to introduce a UN2, I don't know if I would be on board this time around. I've been all "zombied out" for quite a while.

Those are the locations for salmon. You can find them the easiest during "sunny weather" up north.

Unfortunately mate we have these tossers in the game. I don't know what level you are if you play on PS4 send me friend request. dredd_fan

I feel you dude. You will find people here who aren't like that online. I know exactly what you mean. I love the hunting aspect of the game and I am always getting screwed over by immature players who got nothing better to do. It can be rather annoying.

Hi Goober, First of all, welcome. This site is a wealth of information and generally speaking, the community is a great group of folks. Please note however, that this is a fan site and not a Rockstar official forum. If you wish to provide feedback on the beta (and I encourage you to), here is a link: https://www.rockstargames.com/reddeadredemption2/online/feedback?step=f2e50892 There is also a lot of information at RDR2.org that can help you overcome the issue some have with what we call griefers and trolls. I would also recommend trying to seek out online friends who you share similar interests with so you can explore and do activities with a group vs. solo. RDO is much more rewarding that way and safer with the added security a posse provides. https://www.rdr2.org/forums/clubs/ If you're on PS4, feel free to join ours (my PSN Community is linked within): Please note that R* has also announced new anti-griefing measures that they will be impletning soon that will hopefully mitigate the issue: https://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/60804/Red-Dead-Online-Beta-Update Hope this helps.

Maybe they could arm Crips and he can finally earn his bloody keep by shooting anyone who lasso' s you in your own camp? 😉

I'm a little confused as to what you're problem is... You got the reward and it's marked as completed, so what's the issue exactly? The dreamcatcher mission is still shown in my tasks, but I've already finished it. I now have 100% completion and it still shows on my tasks. Is that what you're talking about?

Doc McGee (centre) and the Medicine Men.

So that people come and contribute to the forums at least a small amount, otherwise we'd just get groups coming, dropping their post with a link, and then never returning.